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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:29:00 -
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I think one of the strongest arguments in favor of the changes posted in this thread is the incredible weakness of the arguments raised by various npc alts, people bad at math, and people just generally mad at the goonswarm menace.
The market makes abundantly clear that the system is broken. Mining ore in 0.0 is the exclusive province of the (a) bad at math (b) idiots and (c) people who multibox so many miners they can't possibly rat with that many characters, and also cleared all of the ice spawns already.
There are a variety of ideas like "well, you could do something stupid, and if everyone in 0.0 also did those stupid things then things might change just a tiny bit". But remember, these are idiots who don't really understand that people are going to act in their own interests, and that the game should incentivize the proper behavior.
That Zyd is in the 400s means the system is broken, period. The reason the system is broken is ore anomolies, and those need to be fixed. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
729
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:30:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:The separation of ores may have made sense once upon a time when nullsec was dangerous and logistics were nightmarish, but now that we have the big blue donut and jump freighters to get stuff to Jita with minimal fuss, the ore distribution makes no sense at all.
It is interesting that people who wet their pants at the very thought of entering 0.0 are so eager to convince everyone else it's safe. I realize that it's probably because they want to pretend they're not wetting their pants at the thought of risk, but just 'choose not to live in 0.0', but you'd think their brain would realize there's a conflict there at some point. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
729
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:21:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:
Lowsec is more exciting, but it's hard to make ISK there. Hisec is where you go to make the ISKies. (And that makes sense lore-wise. Money follows safety and robust commerce.)
It makes no sense game-wise, as reward should correlate with risk. But yes, if you want to mine profitably highsec is the place to do it. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
731
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Posted - 2014.09.05 16:23:00 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Fix the sov mechanic so that we actually have bigger wars out in null. ABC prices are only low because there are no big battles, so no big need for hardcore T2 production.
Low ABC prices are a symptom. Treat the cause, which is the blue doughnut preventing ships from asploding.
Actually what you're trying to say is 'fix battleships, so nullsec uses them again' because the t2 doctrines used now use negligible amounts of high-ends. Nobody uses massed battlecruisers or battleships anymore (except the CFC with baltecs, but we don't lose those). Fleets of t2 or t3 ships getting welped don't matter until someone busts out a marauder doctrine. But really you'd want to incentivize massive capital fights again as those burn minerals like nobody's business. But those don't happen because supercaps.
Even so, that would not fix the ratio issue because if you managed to get t1 production high enough to make high-ends not glutted you'd have ran out of trit long ago. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:06:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Electrified Circuits wrote:I'm talking about the universal balance of minerals ie the whole market % ratios of demand for whats needed drives market prices, imo they are skewed wrong many mineral issues have been fixed in null i can get what i need to make things except Mexallon.
The value of the rares should remain high to keep nullsec a good pull away from lowsec thats whats going wrong here. Don't argue you have mineral issues you are supposed to only get high sec ores in high,lowsec. Nullsec gets all ores for good reason, to drive player driven content That's why you bother mining out all the low & mid ores in Null Sec static belts to balance your ratio's... Oh wait you don't! Also no area of space is meant to be independent. So if you get more Mex, what are you giving to high sec to keep the interdependencies going.
we continue to throw you wretches pennies in exchange for trit |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:08:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Welcome to the free market.
People have over supplied the market for the highends, and undersupplied the lowends.
So the lowends are worth more than you'd have thought they were. This. It's not CCP's job to regulate the market. That is why they have been systematically eliminating NPC supplied goods over the years.
it is ccp's job to create a good game and as such they lay the ground rules. they don't "regulate" the market, they affect it on a much more fundamental level and do so routinely
here, the price of zyd clearly demonstrates they've failed at this balancing and revisions are needed. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:57:00 -
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onions2 wrote:Is it CCP's job to supply the correct 'roids for you to mine then ? Or just lower the materials in some of the rocks, just so people can make more money ? (or, more likely, start moaning because now there's not enough of it and it's too expensive)
CCP's job is to properly balance their game. The inbalance caused by grav anomolies has been identified for years and it is reaching a critical point. Highsec wretches generally simply are angry that because they take such minor risks they deserve minor rewards, but mining has its risk/reward badly skewed and it's affecting the economy as a whole in a severely negative way. |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:57:05 -
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onions2 wrote:Is it CCP's job to supply the correct 'roids for you to mine then ? Or just lower the materials in some of the rocks, just so people can make more money ? (or, more likely, start moaning because now there's not enough of it and it's too expensive)
CCP's job is to properly balance their game. The inbalance caused by grav anomolies has been identified for years and it is reaching a critical point. Highsec wretches generally simply are angry that because they take such minor risks they deserve minor rewards, but mining has its risk/reward badly skewed and it's affecting the economy as a whole in a severely negative way. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:08:00 -
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onions2 wrote:CCP can only do so much though - they can't stop people from mining, as much as they can't stop people from ganking. The only way it'll balance out is when the players sort it out.
the issue is very specifically the existence of cyclable grav anoms and their ore composition, something they can very easily change |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:08:54 -
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onions2 wrote:CCP can only do so much though - they can't stop people from mining, as much as they can't stop people from ganking. The only way it'll balance out is when the players sort it out.
the issue is very specifically the existence of cyclable grav anoms and their ore composition, something they can very easily change |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
767
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:09:00 -
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maybe if everyone in 0.0 stopped doing the profit-maximizing thing and started doing something else in concert then the problem would fix itself
that sounds like a good assumption to base game balance on, now back to mining in highsec, alone |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:09:43 -
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maybe if everyone in 0.0 stopped doing the profit-maximizing thing and started doing something else in concert then the problem would fix itself
that sounds like a good assumption to base game balance on, now back to mining in highsec, alone |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
775
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:26:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Electrified Circuits wrote:The point i was trying to make which i think you are all going way off the mark on is that we are talking about mining in a null security space where you are very vulnerable to attack.
There are systems and ores in place to pay this venture well for good reason and it isn't working currently so its not going as planned is it now? get it into the brain boys So you are vulnerable to attack so can't mine yet have mined so many high ends the market has crashed... Sorry. Not buying it. Especially with the other posts in the thread. This is not a game design issue. This is null sec being unable to adapt and not having made most industrialists welcome in null.
we are closing in on producing more in 2r-crw than is made in jita
tell us more about industrialists in null, highsec peasant |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:26:46 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Electrified Circuits wrote:The point i was trying to make which i think you are all going way off the mark on is that we are talking about mining in a null security space where you are very vulnerable to attack.
There are systems and ores in place to pay this venture well for good reason and it isn't working currently so its not going as planned is it now? get it into the brain boys So you are vulnerable to attack so can't mine yet have mined so many high ends the market has crashed... Sorry. Not buying it. Especially with the other posts in the thread. This is not a game design issue. This is null sec being unable to adapt and not having made most industrialists welcome in null.
we are closing in on producing more in 2r-crw than is made in jita
tell us more about industrialists in null, highsec peasant |
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